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Crown Research Institutes—State Ownership

Tuesday 27 June 2006 Hansard source (external site)

Hutchison11. Dr PAUL HUTCHISON (National—Port Waikato) Link to this
to the Minister for Crown Research Institutes

Does he support the continued ownership of Crown research institutes by the State; if not, why not?

HutchisonDr Paul Hutchison Link to this

Why did the Minister tell the select committee last Thursday, regarding Industrial Research Ltd: “Right now, the only thing that is up for sale is a piece of land in Auckland.”, when MPT Solutions, a business unit of Industrial Research Ltd whose main asset is its intellectual property, will be sold to the American company Quest by the end of this week?

MahareyHon STEVE MAHAREY Link to this

Because at the time, that was a commercial matter.

ChoudharyDr Ashraf Choudhary Link to this

What is the role of Crown research institutes?

MahareyHon STEVE MAHAREY Link to this

That is an outstandingly good question. Crown research institutes play a key role in the economic change that is going on in New Zealand. Through their operating framework, they are expected to undertake excellent science with sound financial management, for the benefit of New Zealand. They are also expected to transfer their knowledge widely and to commercialise their research wherever it is possible, for the benefit of the country.

DonnellyHon Brian Donnelly Link to this

Would the Minister agree that the establishment of Crown research institutes by Simon Upton in the 1990s has, by and large, been an applaudable success, and that the current move to reduce dependency on contestable funding is a step on the route of continuous improvement, rather than a restructuring of the Crown research institute structure?

MahareyHon STEVE MAHAREY Link to this

I could not have put it better myself. What is happening is that a model that was established in the early 1990s went from being a highly regulated model to, quite appropriately, going through a period of contestability and competition. Probably, I think, most observers would have said that by 1996 any value out of that contestability had been gained. Unfortunately, the National Party was asleep at the wheel. Until Labour came into Government, the appropriate changes were not undertaken.

HutchisonDr Paul Hutchison Link to this

Does the Minister stand by his written statement of last year, regarding the sale of a Crown research unit spin-off company or subsidiary unit: “A key criterion when shareholding Ministers consider any such disposals is ongoing benefit to New Zealand, including the continual ownership of intellectual property.”, or, with MPT Solutions, has he conveniently changed his mind?

MahareyHon STEVE MAHAREY Link to this

No, I have not changed my mind. The whole model for commercialisation is, of course, benefit to New Zealand. The member might like to take a quiet look at the issue, and when he does he will understand that a case-by-case approach means there will be different ways to appropriately capture maximum value to New Zealand. That is exactly what we are doing.

HutchisonDr Paul Hutchison Link to this

How does the Minister reconcile the sale of a Crown research institute business unit whose strength is intellectual property, with his own claim that keeping intellectual property within New Zealand is key, and Trevor Mallard’s statement on Tuesday, 20June that Labour will not sell off the family silver?

HutchisonDr Paul Hutchison Link to this

Should the public believe he is really going to transform the economy through science and innovation, or is this just another “Mahareyism” to, on the one hand, affirm that keeping intellectual property is a key criterion for New Zealand’s benefit, but, on the other hand, flog off a highly successful, innovative company when he thinks nobody is looking?

MahareyHon STEVE MAHAREY Link to this

No. They should believe it.

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