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Ingram Report—Immigration Submissions, Completeness of Information

Wednesday 25 October 2006 Hansard source (external site)

Smith9. Dr the Hon LOCKWOOD SMITH (National—Rodney) Link to this
to the Minister of Immigration

Was complete information provided in immigration submissions by Taito Phillip Field; if not, in which cases was information incomplete?

CunliffeHon DAVID CUNLIFFE (Minister of Immigration) Link to this

The Minister of Immigration is not responsible for the submissions made by members of Parliament, including those of that member.

SmithDr the Hon Lockwood Smith Link to this

What information was Taito Phillip Field trying to hide when, on 2 October 2005, he held a meeting with eight Thai immigrants, with the objective—as alleged by the Serious Fraud Office—of controlling leaks to the media about work the immigrants were doing on his numerous properties in return for Mr Field’s assistance on either their, or their partners’, immigration cases?

CunliffeHon DAVID CUNLIFFE Link to this

I repeat that I do not have responsibility for the actions of a member of Parliament, including those of that member.

SmithDr the Hon Lockwood Smith Link to this

What information was Taito Phillip Field trying to hide, with regard to the material gain he was obtaining in return for making immigration submissions, when after the meeting on 2 October 2005 only three of the eight Thai immigrants would cooperate with the Ingram inquiry, one of whom, Mr Srikaew, claimed Mr Field was not at the meeting although Mr Field recalled seeing him there, another of whom, Miss Thaivichit, had her evidence described by Noel Ingram QC as “improbable”, and two of whom, Miss Thaivichit and Mr Chaikhunpol, refused to cooperate further after being asked to provide documentary evidence?

CunliffeHon DAVID CUNLIFFE Link to this

I respond that I am not responsible for the statements or actions of a member of Parliament. I further note that all those questions are the same. No doubt Dr Smith sees them as being different, just as he advised the Evening Post on 3 August 1998, when he said: “I even knew all the ewes in the stud by sight. Some people think sheep look all the same but to me they all look different.”

SmithDr the Hon Lockwood Smith Link to this

What information was Taito Phillip Field trying to hide, with regard to the material gain he was obtaining in return for making immigration submissions, when, after the 2 October meeting, the police provided information that Mr Field had identified Mr Chaikhunpol as the leak to the media and that Mr Field had pressured Mr Chaikhunpol, and when Noel Ingram QC described Mr Field’s cooperation on the matter as “not particularly helpful”?

CunliffeHon DAVID CUNLIFFE Link to this

I repeat that I am not responsible for the actions or statements of a member of Parliament. But I would observe that when demoting Dr Smith, Dr Brash said: “It was … time for a new face.” No doubt the member will be demoted further if he does not get a new question.

WilsonMadam SPEAKER Link to this

That is not relevant to the question.

SmithDr the Hon Lockwood Smith Link to this

What information was Taito Phillip Field trying to hide, with regard to the material gain he was making from immigrants, when Mr Field rang Mr Patrick Cole on 27 September 2005, 5 days after the Ingram inquiry was established, and told Mr Cole to tell his son to “back off” from his public comments on Mr Field’s purchase and subsequent resale of their home at 51 Church Street and that he was sending someone around to get Mr Cole’s signature on a form stating that he had nothing against Mr Field?

CunliffeHon DAVID CUNLIFFE Link to this

I repeat that as Minister of Immigration, I am not responsible for the actions of a member of Parliament. However, to repeat those assertions constitutes an error of judgment, rather like posing—

MallardHon Trevor Mallard Link to this

I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. Two related interjections were made. In the end, when put together, they actually reflected very badly on you. They were made by Dr Nick Smith.

SmithHon Dr Nick Smith Link to this

I said the Government was rotten to the core, and that is true.

CullenHon Dr Michael Cullen Link to this

The member said: “You’re rotten to the core.” Whether he was referring to either you or Mr Cunliffe, both are out of order.

WilsonMadam SPEAKER Link to this

Would the member please withdraw and apologise.

SmithHon Dr Nick Smith Link to this

It is not what I said, but I am happy to withdraw and apologise. My reference was in respect of the Government.

WilsonMadam SPEAKER Link to this

If the member used that term, he has been here long enough to know that it is a reference to the Chair.

SmithHon Dr Nick Smith Link to this

I did not use that term, but I am happy to withdraw and apologise.

WilsonMadam SPEAKER Link to this

We will take the member’s word for it. There is nothing—

SmithHon Dr Nick Smith Link to this

I withdraw and apologise.

SmithDr the Hon Lockwood Smith Link to this

What information was Taito Phillip Field trying to hide when, last week, Mr Field provided Mr Sunan Siriwan with over $500 in cash, then sought to influence what Mr Siriwan may tell the police; and how can the Minister have any confidence in information provided by Taito Phillip Field, given that he has continually and consistently attempted to manipulate the flow of relevant information from immigrants from whom he has gained significant material benefit?

CunliffeHon DAVID CUNLIFFE Link to this

I repeat that I do not have responsibility for the statements made by a member of Parliament. But, of course, the member concerned is expert in providing full disclosure, which he inflicts every month on his constituents via a pin-up calendar.

WilsonMadam SPEAKER Link to this

That is also irrelevant.

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