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Transport Planning, Auckland—Auckland Council’s Draft Plan

Wednesday 7 September 2011 Hansard source (external site)

Twyford8. PHIL TWYFORD (Labour) Link to this
to the Minister of Transport

Does he endorse the transport elements of the draft Auckland Plan; if not, why not?

JoyceHon STEVEN JOYCE (Minister of Transport) Link to this

It is not appropriate for me to endorse or otherwise any aspect of the draft Auckland plan at this time. The Auckland Spatial Plan is the Auckland Council’s plan, and the council will be consulting the community on it. The Government strongly endorses the process, but its role is to provide input, not to formally endorse it. With regard to transport elements, the Government will continue to consider individual projects on their merits if the Government or its agencies are called on to provide funding assistance. In this context it is important to remember that central government is currently contributing over $1 billion a year towards Auckland’s transport needs.

TwyfordPhil Twyford Link to this

Can he confirm the New Zealand Herald’s report that he and Ministers Hide, Smith, and Heatley, at their 26 August meeting with the Auckland mayor and Auckland Council, could not stop browbeating the councillors over the draft plan’s commitment to urban intensification in a way that was “intimidating and small town”?

RyallHon Tony Ryall Link to this

What’s wrong with small towns?

JoyceHon STEVEN JOYCE Link to this

Yes, I do not know that we should be picking on small towns. I point out that that was a view of a prominent left-wing politician from Auckland, who might have a slight conflict of interest, and it was reported by a prominent left-wing columnist from Auckland, who might also have a certain interest in this matter: a certain Mr B Rudman.

TwyfordPhil Twyford Link to this

Does he accept that the alternative to a compact city supported by a modern public transport system is an Auckland that sprawls endlessly and a traffic jam from the harbour bridge to Whangarei?

JoyceHon STEVEN JOYCE Link to this

I do not know that I would want to make too many comments on the Auckland plan at this point, but I would say that we on this side of the House believe strongly in people having the right to determine where they live and the way in which they want to live. We think it is an important principle, provided, of course, that they meet the cost of those decisions. I think that is an important point to make. I understand that Mr Twyford might have a strong view that everybody should live on top of each other, but others might disagree.

ArdernJacinda Ardern Link to this

Is the city rail link his No. 1 transport priority for Auckland?

JoyceHon STEVEN JOYCE Link to this

No, it is not, actually. The current priorities for Auckland are many and varied. They include the Waterview project, which the Government is building currently, the Victoria Park Tunnel project, the electrification of the rail in Auckland, the Newmarket Viaduct, and a number of other very important investments in Auckland. Currently, the central business district rail link has a benefit-cost ratio of about 0.3, and I think that we can all say that it probably needs to have an improvement in that before any responsible Government would seek to invest in it.

TwyfordPhil Twyford Link to this

Why did his Government go to the trouble of creating a unified Auckland when it is very clear that the Government is determined to undermine and block Auckland Council’s plan for a world-class transport system and a compact city?

JoyceHon STEVEN JOYCE Link to this

The member is simply incorrect. It is an important project for a unified Auckland. I think it is a very important project, and Auckland Council is currently consulting on its new spatial plan, which is a very important part of the unified Auckland process. I think it is great that it is doing so and that people are getting the opportunity to comment. I note that the member is assisting in that matter, as well. In fact, I understand that he had a public meeting on Monday night and that up to maybe eight people turned up. On that current progress, if he was to hold more public meetings, he could possibly cover the whole of Auckland—once he has got to 162,500 public meetings—and be able to consult on the future of the Auckland plan.

ArdernJacinda Ardern Link to this

What is his advice to Government members who have claimed that the city rail link is this Government’s No. 1 transport priority in Auckland?

JoyceHon STEVEN JOYCE Link to this

My advice to the Government members would be to attract more people to their public meetings than the eight that Mr Twyford was able to attract.